Friday, January 26, 2024

Dialogue with a BJP Supporter Professor

 Q: What is the import of temple consecration on January 22, 2024 at Ayodhya in Uttar Pradesh state of India?

A: A pro BJP professor had the following conversation on his Facebook wall.


Title of the Post : Finally the Indian mind has been decolonized

 

Here are some of the comments.

 Mary Anne Cummings

What did I miss?
 
Brajesh Choudhary
Mary Anne Cummings a Hindu temple at the birth place of Lord Ram was vandalised in 1528 by Mughal invader Babar. Today on the same spot after 496 years a grand temple was consecrated with an idol of 5 year lord Ram by the Prime minister of india. For the first time in last 1000 years we could reclaim our temple.

Robin Erbacher
Thank you for the background Brajesh. I also heard in the story that a Mosque that was built on top had stood there for hundreds of years but torn down by crowds 30 years ago, leading to sectarian violence. Then this new temple has been partially built and consecrated today. No idea if I got that right but that’s what I thought I heard (NPR) 🤷🏻‍♀️

Brajesh Choudhary
Robin Erbacher yes there was a disused mosque there on that site. That mosque was built by Mir Baki a general of Babur, the first ruler of Mughal dynasty after destroying the temple at the birthplace of Rama in 1528. 1n 1992 on 6th December the disused mosque was pulled down by Hindus. The courts of india heard the case for almost 150 years from British days till 2019. In 2019, a constitution bench of the the Supreme Court of india gave a 5-0 verdict that there was ample proof that under the mosque if any structure existed it was a temple. The disputed land was given to Hindus and the Muslims were given 5 acres of land elsewhere just to soothe their feelings.
The Muslims have destroyed about 40000 temples in india. When you go to Indian temples and archeological sites and see broken hands, legs, face disfigured of the statues, all of them were largely done by Muslims because they don’t approve of idolatry. Robin, I hope you saw that at Elephanta when you were in Bombay.


Robin Erbacher
Mani Tripathi it was a brief story. They may have had it right, I was distracted a bit.

Maripat Abu Adil
Brajesh Choudhary The Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) excavated the Ram Babri Mosque site at the direction of the Lucknow Bench of the Allahabad High Court in Uttar Pradesh in 2003. When the thick report came out Professor Irfan Habib reviewed it in a talk at the Institute of Objective Studies at Aligarh (not related to AMU). I was present in the talk. There was no evidence of the Mosque being built at the sight of a temple.
 
Brajesh Choudhary
Maripat Abu Adil Let’s not quote Irfan Habib the Islamist professor. The mosque was called masjid janmsthan. It was built in 1528 by demolishing the temple. The Supreme Court said that there was definitely a temple till 12th century and the remains under the temple were all of Sanatan culture and not Islamic. The birthplace was decided by the SC based on Skanda Puram which is mentioned in the report nearly 20 times. Please don’t quote selectively and never quote that charlatan if a historian Irfan Habib.
 
Brajesh Choudhary
Maripat Abu Adil if you need the SC report, please send me your email. I will be happy to send you the pdf file.
 
Maripat Abu Adil
Brajesh Choudhary It is well known that Professor Irfan Habib is Marxist historiographer. People have differences with Marxist intellectuals but no serious person has ever accused them of being charlatans. Intellectuals with Saffron bent of mind are very biased about social, cultural and political issues. Hence their words about any one else apart from their own ilk carries no weight. Finally it is in public knowledge that the Supreme Court gave away the Masjid land in deference to the sentiments of the majority community. This is what your foreign FB friends should know.
 
Brajesh Choudhary
Maripat Abu Adil no you are wrong. The land was given based on birth place of Lord Rama based on Skanda Puran. Please don’t try to wordsmith. Read the report. If you need it, just send your email and I will send the SC judgement.
 
Maripat Abu Adil
Brajesh Choudhary Is it not appeasement of majority community on part of the Honourable Supreme Court of India to give Masjid land for the construction of temple on the basis of Skand Puran?
 
Brajesh Choudhary
Maripat Abu Adil Sir if you don’t know the culture of this country it is not my problem. India didn’t become a country in 1947, it has existed for millennia. The Hindu scriptures tell the story of india that existed prior to Muslim invasion and domination. Skanda Puran based information was just one part of information based on which SC gave its judgement. The other was ASI report that if there ever existed a structure under that so called mosque called Babri masjid it always was a temple. The history has recorded that Mir Baqi general of Babur demolished the temple in 1528. The mosque has been always called Masjid Janmsthan. Sir how much proof you need? Why you take pride in a structure which reflected Hindu humiliation and subjugation? I don’t understand.
One more fact. You know that Babur had a toy boy lover called Babri. He named that mosque on the name of his boy lover. Do you really want that? Maripat think about it.
 
Maripat Abu Adil
Brajesh Choudhary We know the culture of this country. The normal historical process brought India under Muslim rule. If it was subjugation that can be debated. Humiliation it was not. If it was humiliation then Man Singh and Birbal would not be with Akbar and Hakim Khan Sur with Maharana Pratap. But let us stick to Babri Masjid. Since the land was given to the majority community on the basis of Skand Puran then it was appeasement of the majority community.
 
Brajesh Choudhary
Maripat Abu Adil you have your freedom to believe. The land was given on historical facts one of which was Skanda Puran too but if you want to negate historical facts it is your choice.
 
Maripat Abu Adil
Brajesh Choudhary No brother historicity is not decided on the basis of scriptures but archeology and the answer from that criterion is that there was no temple below the Mosque.
 
Brajesh Choudhary
Maripat Abu Adil the remains under the mosque was not Islamic but Hindu. That’s also true. So how a mosque came on that. If you want still to believe in Babur and Mir Baqi, I can’t help. Carry on. You have freedom to believe.
 
Maripat Abu Adil
Brajesh Choudhary Now my brother I suppose your foreign friends will have my point of view too and it is up to them to believe whom so ever they want to.
 
Brajesh Choudhary :
Maripat Abu Adil sure you can write your point of view. If I was worried with your views and what my foreign friends will think then I would have deleted your response but it is the tolerance in me that accepts all views but the truth of Islamic violence, barbarity and dehumanisation of Hindus in india or parts of india for 800 years can’t be negated. Its written all over india in its broken temples, burnt university, destroyed statues. It’s so sad that today’s Indian Muslims who have nothing to do with the invaders except that their forefathers changed their religion either out of fear or to seek favour still believe in those barbarians. That’s the biggest tragedy of modern India. And I am sad that you are one of them.

 

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